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readings and salutations friends and

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welcome back

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it is with sadness that I present to you

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today's video which is a Premiere uh on

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our channel here at least of an

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interview that I conducted with John

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McAfee some time ago

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this interview was conducted before his

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death I am aware of all of the rumors uh

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all over the Internet that John McAfee

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faked his own death

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I have no comment about that though to

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be honest if I heard that there was

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proof of that or that it were true I

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would be happy to hear that John McAfee

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is still alive and well somewhere in the

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world

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while growing up John McAfee uh was an

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inspiration to me an idol really a lot

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of people aren't aware but John McAfee

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was one of the early pioneers of this

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thing called shareware

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and uh that became a huge thing and many

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in the early software movement created

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companies

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which would allow people to share

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software and get

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let's say the basic version of the

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software and if you wanted the

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professional version you would upgrade

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and send off a check

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and so John McAfee was an early software

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pioneer I wanted to be

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someone who would form a software

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company myself never did quite get

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around to that but

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I have always admired him and his Fierce

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Independence his Renegade streak and uh

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his standing up to the status quo

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it was an honor and a privilege to be

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able to interview Mr McAfee after all he

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was a childhood hero of mine many people

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don't know but one of the ways that John

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McAfee got rich was by scrolling all the

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corporations out of money uh his early

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anti-virus software was distributed uh

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largely for free

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but it was not for corporate or

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commercial use there was a separate

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license for that

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so through a loophole of laws some might

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say John McAfee got to Stick it to the

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Man and force all these Mega

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corporations to give him huge amounts of

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money

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um and also his early antivirus software

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became so popular

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uh that by 1990 John McAfee who was an

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early software Pioneer was making some

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five million dollars a year

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something completely unheard of at the

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time

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he was also my idol for other reasons

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like his

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attitude and his Fierce Independence his

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being a renegade and loving being a

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renegade

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made him special to me

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it was an honor and privilege to get to

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talk to him even get to know him a

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little bit both before and after this

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interview and that my friends is a whole

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story in and of itself because you see

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after the interview

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John McAfee asked me for a cell phone

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number

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and uh I gave him that and

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What followed is a strange series of

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things

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uh John McAfee out of nowhere would call

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me at three o'clock in the morning he

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first called me uh after the interview

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at one point I assumed that he was in

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some strange part of the world I told

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him what time it was and he said oh

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you're not busy are you like drop

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everything because John McAfee's on the

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phone and honestly I did drop everything

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to talk to him

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uh John said you're like a big Tech guy

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right and I said yeah and he goes okay

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tell me everything you know about

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Faraday cages and I said well I I mean I

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have a basic understanding you know it's

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a metal box and you put electronic

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devices in it and you know no signals

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can go in or out

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and John said yeah yeah but what can I

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use them for like can I use them so that

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my cell phones can't be tracked and I

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said well yeah they sell things called

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privacy pouches John and uh he asked for

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me to recommend for him what the best

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privacy pouch to put your cell phone in

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so that people couldn't track you and I

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gave him my suggestions

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uh and uh later in the conversation John

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told me that he had decided that he was

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going to build a room-sized faraday cage

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and that's where he was going to stay so

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that people could never track him and

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um you know I didn't know what to say to

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this I just thought well that's a little

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crazy I as I recall I said that's a

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little crazy John and he goes well don't

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you know Stephen I am crazy ask anybody

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I'm gonna do it I'm gonna build this

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Faraday cage and it was

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a short time later that I saw that he

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actually did it and he was making videos

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from inside a room that he had

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constructed that was a giant Faraday

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cage

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um John was

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enforcement officials in multiple

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countries as I recall and uh he was

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quite paranoid and so he would call me

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and uh ask me things like weird things

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like Stephen do you know Morse code and

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I said well not by Heart John like I I

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know what Morse code is and I know what

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its use is but I wouldn't be able to

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decipher it you know it would take me

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forever like I'd have to if somebody

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sent me a tape for example of a morse

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code message it would take me forever to

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try to encode it you know decode it and

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he said isn't there there's software for

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that isn't there software for that and I

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looked it up and said yeah John I found

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some software that will decode Morse

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code messages and John McAfee told me

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okay that's what I'm going to do I'm

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only going to communicate in Morse code

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from now on and I said

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to me or to everybody in John McAfee

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told me that he was only going to

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communicate in Morse code

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uh you know to people around the world

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that he was communicating with which I

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thought was just Bizarro because that it

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just didn't make any sense like anybody

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could get

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a morse code message and decode it and I

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told him that so then he said well maybe

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I need to develop something better than

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Morse code that only I and the people I

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communicate with know and I said yeah

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John that's a cipher you're a

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mathematics guy you you can develop some

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sort of math Cipher and he goes that's a

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great idea that's what I'm going to do

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Stephen and he hung up on me and then I

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didn't hear from him for a few weeks and

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then he called me again and he was told

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me that he developed his own Cipher and

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that he was going to send it to me uh he

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never did I gave him an email address uh

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but he told me that he was currently

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someplace that he couldn't email

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and by the way to the best of my

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understanding he was calling me from

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satellite telephone uh telephones or

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something some odd untrackable according

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to him form of communication

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another instance

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um John McAfee called me

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and he asked me what I knew about web

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Bots that could scrape the internet for

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information he was looking for

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I uh related to him that I had written a

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Web Bot that could do something similar

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and look for certain keywords even maybe

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you know go through the deep dark web or

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the you know uh

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let's just say the less than safe places

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on the internet looking for information

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he seemed very interested and then he

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started asking me very specific

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questions what was the Web Bot written

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in what language

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was it self-learning did it have

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self-learning algorithms all kinds of

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strange questions

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John confided in me that he was looking

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for a Web Bot that would scrape the

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entire internet for anything ever

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written about him and then compile it

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into a database

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uh and uh you know this is again this

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was like a 3 A.M phone call and John

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McAfee said can you make that happen

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Stephen and I said well I could but I

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you know I have a wife and kids and a

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business and a shout run I you know this

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would take like a huge amount of time

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and resources could I do it Mr McAfee I

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think I could but it would take me a lot

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of time and he said Stephen you should

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get on that I'm a wealthy man and I said

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I'm aware of your money yeah I I know

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I did uh say well did you want to pay me

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for that and he said do you need to be

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paid for everything Stephen some things

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you should just do I'm a good friend to

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have and I said oh okay John you know

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look I could start working on it in my

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spare time and again then he just said

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get on it and he hung up on me and uh

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and then I didn't hear from him

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for

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several weeks again

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and he called me and he told me did you

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get the Web Bot to work and I said

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vaguely it's not really doing everything

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that you want but it will scrape you

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know it will look through the internet

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for anything with your name

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uh associate it with it any any internet

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posts whether it be a news site a media

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site a Blog anything if it sees John

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McAfee it will pick it up and save the

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link

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and he said what about compiling it to a

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database I need it by date and post it

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to the internet and I said well you know

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I I started working on this and then he

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goes you know what forget it and I had

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spent a few weeks like trying to get

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this thing to work for him and uh he

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just completely and totally lost

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interest didn't want me to do it anymore

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um and then there was a final sort of uh

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middle of the night phone call that was

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disturbing he uh told me that they're on

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to him or something like that like it

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was just a very paranoid

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call and he said uh I think they're

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gonna they're gonna finally catch up to

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me and I said who he said all the people

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after me Steve and they're finally gonna

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get me

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in their grasp and uh you know I tried

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to uh tell them to relax

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um I was aware that John was uh you know

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he was very into partying and uh

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drinking and a lot of drugs so I

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suggested that he lay off the drugs and

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uh you know maybe see a doctor and try

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to relax and he told me that he couldn't

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relax all these people are after me

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these people are out to get me they're

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out to destroy me

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and that was the last that I ever got a

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phone call from John McAfee

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um and you know

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I always wondered like uh did he forget

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who I was or did he just get busy and

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and by the way these were like random

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calls that would come weeks apart or

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months apart right after the interview

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um

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I never quite knew what to make of them

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but I always I thought it was like

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remember that this guy was one of my

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Idols growing up so I was glad every

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time that he called and we talked about

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some other

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things personal things that I won't you

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know uh disclose or share

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um but what an interesting uh part of my

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life to get to talk to and meet one of

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my childhood Idols right uh even I

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suppose work on a project for him that

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he then decided he was no longer

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interested in but that was John and he

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was uh strange

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he was uh

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brilliant we talked about math we talked

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about coding we talked about

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um he was very interested in

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self-learning algorithms

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which is really an advanced form of of

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computer programming where the the

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program learns and adapts and overcomes

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obstacles and but he was already very

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aware of these things from his study of

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malware and computer viruses

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um we did talk about computer viruses

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and uh

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you know I asked him a lot about uh you

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know people who claim that a virus could

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take down the U.S

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power grid and things like that and and

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he seemed to believe that it was not

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only entirely possible but probable that

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somebody would Cyber attack us in the

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future and take our uh power grid down

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using uh computer malware or viruses

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so

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that's really all I got uh I will say

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that I think that the loss of John

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McAfee it's any suicide is a senseless

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loss it didn't need to happen

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um but

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sadly John according to news reports and

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authorities there took his own life but

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it is

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um

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strange to me that it's been

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all it took them all this this time to

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come up with an autopsy report

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and last I checked they still the

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authorities still have not released his

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remains to his wife and family

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and that's strange why does he died in

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uh

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June 23rd of 2021 and they still have

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not released his body

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John may have enjoyed uh from my

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conversations with them John seemed to

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enjoy all the conspiracy theories and

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controversy around him

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and

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um

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knowing in the little bit that I do I

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think that he would be happy to hear

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that people are saying that he faked his

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own life and he's still alive out there

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and there's all of these conspiracies

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surrounding him

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he was a strange brilliant and uh

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amazing individual

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and I think that the world is a little

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less bright without him

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so with all that said

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here my friends is my original interview

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John McAfee and me

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[Music]

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foreign

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s and salutations friends and welcome

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back

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to another exciting edition of The

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Midnight Hour show

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this my friends will also be the final

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this my friends has been a wild and

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crazy Journey and I for one am thankful

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for that Journey

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I have truly gotten to speak to some

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amazing people

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so I thought for the Midnight Hour show

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let's talk to someone amazing and I'm

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happy to say that tonight I will be

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interviewing the wild man

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John McAfee

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folks he's one of the craziest and most

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interesting people on Twitter you can

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follow him on Twitter to see what I'm

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talking about and then you'll kind of

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understand

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a renegade billionaire who doesn't care

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what people think about the things he

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says

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a man who has had the courage to stand

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up to the United States government

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and kind of suffer the consequences for

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folks John McAfee has lived an amazing

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and interesting life

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he always seems though to be on some

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kind of crazy train

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I thought it would be fun if we could

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hop on that crazy train with him for a

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little while

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talk to him and see what he's really

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like

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so my friends

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with no further Ado let's get to the

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the first question that I had for you is

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there something that you and I have in

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common

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one of my first jobs was selling

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magazines door-to-door and a lot of

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people don't know but I've heard ah this

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was your first one of your first jobs I

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learned a lot about people and being

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charismatic and manipulative honestly oh

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hell yes I worked for a couple of them

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you know and and uh this you know the

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Spiel was the same I mean that they'd

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move into town and then have a bank of

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women uh with uh phone numbers in in uh

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um

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the address Order each house next to the

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other and they just call every house

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every street and they say the same thing

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Mrs Jones congratulations now I'm Amy

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Smith with Ben Franklin magazine and you

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just won a 60-month subscription to any

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five magazines of your choice oh my God

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that sounds so similar to mine I had

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this I was like you get time TV guide

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and for other magazines let me show you

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that's right yeah I right I didn't I

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didn't include that for for me it was

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always Better Homes and Gardens look uh

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you know whatever but the same thing and

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then ending with have you ever won

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anything before Mrs Smith

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congratulations and tomorrow our route

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manager will come to your house to

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deliver your guarantee that you will get

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these magazines absolutely for free wow

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well on the route manager you're the

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route manager right you're knocking on

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the doors you've got all of the slips in

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your hand yeah in my case it was really

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kind of shady this guy this weird guy

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would come in a van and pick up us kids

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up in in you know I grew up in kind of a

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rough neighborhood so he'd come in a van

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and pick us poor kids up in the in the

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bad neighborhood and then we would drive

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up to the suburbs where they had three

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four hundred thousand dollar houses and

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or it was kind of a scam it was like I'm

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going to win a scholarship and be able

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to go to a better school if I sell it

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yeah okay yeah no that's yeah okay but

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the same thing but they still got their

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[\h__\h] magazines yeah sure sure yeah

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and then so where is the scam no the

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scam is the is a scam uh not of stealing

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nor of

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um possession uh it's a scam of

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perception sure yeah because you you've

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got these [\h__\h] magazines for free and

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you're told up front all you got to do

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is pay the mailing and handling charges

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of 85 cents uh per week or [\h__\h] me that

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even under any circumstances that's free

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[\h__\h] money yeah

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the scam is one of the most complex ever

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created and it started with the magazine

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confidence a magazines never made a dime

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selling a [\h__\h] Magazine with

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subscriptions no there's ads right it

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was all ads

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um and if they could prove they had

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people signed up with their name uh yes

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I'm signing up to subscribe to this

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magazine

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uh for five years well [\h__\h] me

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every subscriber is another fifty

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dollars in the goddamn pocket yeah it's

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so funny it's so similar it was a

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five-year contract I remember but what

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was what was the best part about that

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job and what was the worst part about

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that job for you

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the one the worst wow hang on okay the

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worst swap was weekends I hated working

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on it again because the men were home or

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men back then and please forgive me for

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doing sexist but even today

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a little bit tougher about life we get

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beaten anymore as as kids it's not by

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our parents anymore than by other kids

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um this is what [\h__\h] happens and so

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men or her

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now when a woman's home 100 at the time

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I got a bucket sales yeah but the guy

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the guy will say no right yeah yeah the

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guy will say hey you go for what

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why don't you get an honest job son that

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would be the thing well that wasn't much

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fun that didn't bother me what bothered

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me was I only made half as much money

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yeah I had the same experience and the

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the other thing I I I really admire you

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for and I remember specifically is the

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shareware business model you're one of

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the pioneers of the shareware business

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model

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what did you think about that when it

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first started and then also back then

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there was no PayPal so was it like

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Christmas every day when these checks

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started coming in the mail for you from

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the shareware from the bbs's and all

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that stuff people would get your

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software for people that don't know I

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had you know I had a different business

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plan yeah I wasn't interested in getting

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thirty dollars from 10 million people

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who wants that business headache try and

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support 10 million people I mean you

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know the more you got to support the

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more that curve goes as in thought it

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you know to almost Infinity in terms of

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your cost oh and I didn't want to do

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that so I gave it away

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um with the following Proviso now that

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if this is you are in a corporate

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organization

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or government environment

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a a negotiated so the word negotiated

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site license is required that's all

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that's the only thing I put in I never

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called anybody

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but corporations and government agencies

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doesn't look good stealing software

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right yeah and since I gave it away to

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every individual for free yeah me and

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God and I got to tell you that when I

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first when I first when I first got your

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software uh it was like thank God

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because before your software which was

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revolutionary at the time you could get

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some kind of malware for downloading

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Pirate game or something you know as a

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kid and and there goes your computer you

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got a format and start over but your

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software would protect the computer tell

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you if something was infected it was

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really revolutionary at the time one of

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the first but the Revolutionary thing

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was not the software it was the business

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model yeah and the business model was

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very unique and that is

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I knew how the world worked you get

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share aware

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if the [\h__\h] stuff is useful at home

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you take it to the office because you're

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responsible for the data on that office

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computer as well aren't you yeah so

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things like virus protection You're

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Gonna Make Damn short that once you

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spend a month working on is not just

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going to disappear uh so you're going to

554
00:24:53,870 --> 00:24:51,960
take McAfee to work right now at home

555
00:24:56,690 --> 00:24:53,880
it's legal you can even take it to work

556
00:24:59,270 --> 00:24:56,700
why it's we gave it to you that's fine

557
00:25:01,490 --> 00:24:59,280
uh and if you're using on someone else's

558
00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:01,500
computer room it's their problem not

559
00:25:06,770 --> 00:25:04,440
yours right because you should be

560
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:06,780
responsible for your own computer who's

561
00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:08,280
responsible for those computers because

562
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,460
really the first big check I got was six

563
00:25:16,010 --> 00:25:13,679
months into this

564
00:25:17,630 --> 00:25:16,020
um and I got a sort of an emergency call

565
00:25:20,090 --> 00:25:17,640
because we had a phone number to call

566
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,100
with your corporation

567
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:22,080
um emergency call from forward notice

568
00:25:28,669 --> 00:25:26,400
they had done an audit and found over 50

569
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:28,679
000 copies of my software on their

570
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,140
various machines right now they owned

571
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,120
hundreds hundred thousand machines wow

572
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:35,279
throughout the world so they were

573
00:25:39,470 --> 00:25:37,440
panicked said we don't know what to do

574
00:25:42,169 --> 00:25:39,480
and I said okay don't worry about it

575
00:25:44,450 --> 00:25:42,179
said um yeah I'm not going to see you

576
00:25:46,970 --> 00:25:44,460
for file criminal charges in a place

577
00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:46,980
that said um why don't you count the

578
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:49,260
number of computers that you have then

579
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,880
I'm not concerned about the number that

580
00:25:54,649 --> 00:25:52,559
they're on but if you're going to be

581
00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:54,659
using an in your company I know how

582
00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:56,940
things work trust me you're going to use

583
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,620
it on every computer so tell me how many

584
00:26:04,130 --> 00:26:00,960
computers you have

585
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:04,140
um and send me three dollars and fifty

586
00:26:10,909 --> 00:26:07,919
cents for everyone or or

587
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,919
send me an audit will you have audited

588
00:26:16,610 --> 00:26:12,720
every single one love you hundred

589
00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:16,620
dollars to prove it has been removed

590
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,020
now an audit would have cost them a

591
00:26:24,190 --> 00:26:21,840
hundred million dollars so that was a

592
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,200
great business move and decision

593
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:27,120
any number any number less than 100

594
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,240
million is yes but I was way down during

595
00:26:34,730 --> 00:26:32,159
the three or four or five million for

596
00:26:37,310 --> 00:26:34,740
everyone of these so

597
00:26:40,370 --> 00:26:37,320
um this was the business model that no

598
00:26:42,110 --> 00:26:40,380
one had considered do you remember how

599
00:26:44,169 --> 00:26:42,120
much the check they sent you was and did

600
00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:44,179
you frame it and save it

601
00:26:48,830 --> 00:26:46,380
well it's three or four hundred thousand

602
00:26:51,649 --> 00:26:48,840
dollars which back then in 19 a lot of

603
00:26:52,490 --> 00:26:51,659
money back in the 80s 1988 for you know

604
00:26:54,590 --> 00:26:52,500
for

605
00:26:56,890 --> 00:26:54,600
a young guy with no goddamn

606
00:26:59,390 --> 00:26:56,900
responsibilities yeah

607
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,400
that's a fair amount but that's just the

608
00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:00,960
beginning

609
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:03,720
um we were getting that amount every day

610
00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:06,720
sometimes multiple times I had to hire

611
00:27:12,110 --> 00:27:09,179
people to take checks to the bank that

612
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:12,120
is to go and create ledgers of who gave

613
00:27:16,490 --> 00:27:14,400
us what money and it was so many people

614
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,500
yeah it'd be a counting nightmare yeah

615
00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:18,480
no no it was I had to hire a couple

616
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,340
people just to keep track

617
00:27:24,769 --> 00:27:22,320
of the money not into anything else

618
00:27:27,649 --> 00:27:24,779
where is it and who do we owe and good

619
00:27:31,970 --> 00:27:27,659
God Almighty yeah I remember I remember

620
00:27:33,230 --> 00:27:31,980
I remember how back then you know the

621
00:27:35,810 --> 00:27:33,240
first thing you did when you got a

622
00:27:38,750 --> 00:27:35,820
computer any computer guy selling your

623
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,760
computer would say you got to have any

624
00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:40,559
virus protection so it was like the

625
00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:42,539
first add-on you gotta have this oh yeah

626
00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:45,000
absolutely you had a must-have product

627
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,880
first you buy Windows then you buy then

628
00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:49,679
you buy the Box protection from McAfee

629
00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:50,520
yeah

630
00:27:56,930 --> 00:27:53,340
even two years into this I still owned

631
00:27:59,210 --> 00:27:56,940
87 of the world's market for antivirus

632
00:28:02,510 --> 00:27:59,220
software and I did not have a single

633
00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:02,520
salesman and my competitors people like

634
00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:04,440
Norton

635
00:28:15,230 --> 00:28:05,580
um

636
00:28:18,169 --> 00:28:15,240
sell I didn't have a Salesman I didn't

637
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,179
sell anything I you know Mr economy to

638
00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:20,159
me because they weren't bringing

639
00:28:24,850 --> 00:28:23,580
Norton's products into work were they I

640
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:24,860
remember the difference

641
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:28,080
never liked Norton back then or now no I

642
00:28:31,370 --> 00:28:29,460
suppose you had to pay for you had to

643
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:31,380
pay for Norton 20 bucks or something

644
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,799
mine's free and so whose are you going

645
00:28:38,930 --> 00:28:36,240
to get as well everybody use mine

646
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:38,940
everybody took mine into work and it was

647
00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:40,860
made that the companies had to call to

648
00:28:45,649 --> 00:28:43,559
analogize about stealing software

649
00:28:49,010 --> 00:28:45,659
I don't worry about it

650
00:28:51,649 --> 00:28:49,020
one is rather honoredology machine wow

651
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,659
and send me a detail about it which has

652
00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:53,520
been probably a hundred thousand pages

653
00:28:57,409 --> 00:28:55,320
of [\h__\h]

654
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:57,419
um

655
00:29:03,110 --> 00:28:59,760
licensed to for three dollars for every

656
00:29:06,409 --> 00:29:03,120
machine you have or what program manager

657
00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:06,419
or I.T director is going to pass that

658
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:09,299
opportunity up yeah so you made them an

659
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:12,240
offer they couldn't refuse right so I

660
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:13,679
either got to go to the board of direct

661
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:16,559
and says oh my God you know uh you know

662
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,200
we are being forced by law to own it

663
00:29:24,010 --> 00:29:21,120
every machine we have

664
00:29:27,529 --> 00:29:24,020
uh it's going to cost us probably

665
00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:27,539
250 dollars per machine and we have a

666
00:29:32,330 --> 00:29:29,580
hundred thousand [\h__\h] machines well

667
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:32,340
that's a lot of money

668
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:35,279
yeah no and I would like to ask you what

669
00:29:39,409 --> 00:29:37,200
you think of the current state of of

670
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:39,419
malware protection because

671
00:29:44,330 --> 00:29:42,480
you know since you since you're no

672
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,340
longer in control and and now I guess

673
00:29:48,649 --> 00:29:46,559
McAfee is part of last I heard Internet

674
00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:48,659
Security Suite but McAfee's kind of

675
00:29:53,210 --> 00:29:50,760
become malware itself it comes with new

676
00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:53,220
computers then it annoys the crap out of

677
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:56,340
you to pay them and from I can't tell

678
00:30:00,110 --> 00:29:57,600
you how many times you know I fix

679
00:30:01,789 --> 00:30:00,120
computers uh and I can't tell you how

680
00:30:03,409 --> 00:30:01,799
many times I have to take that off of

681
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:03,419
people's computers just so it stops

682
00:30:06,669 --> 00:30:04,799
annoying them to pay them because

683
00:30:09,169 --> 00:30:06,679
there's free options now like

684
00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:09,179
Malwarebytes and and Spybot Search and

685
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,880
Destroy that are better and free what do

686
00:30:15,409 --> 00:30:12,960
you think of the current state of

687
00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:15,419
malware protection and what happened to

688
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:17,880
to your incredible software after you

689
00:30:24,250 --> 00:30:20,960
were you were out of the picture

690
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:24,260
look at 10 years ago I said that

691
00:30:30,769 --> 00:30:28,080
neither McAfee nor Annie

692
00:30:32,990 --> 00:30:30,779
not antivirus software

693
00:30:35,870 --> 00:30:33,000
is going to be worth anything in a few

694
00:30:39,529 --> 00:30:35,880
years and that has that time has passed

695
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,539
and gives worth nothing but let's just

696
00:30:45,409 --> 00:30:41,520
run some logic people

697
00:30:49,130 --> 00:30:45,419
we know statistically that over 90 of

698
00:30:51,549 --> 00:30:49,140
all technical hacks now we're all hacks

699
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:51,559
who are done through social engineering

700
00:30:58,909 --> 00:30:55,440
that science has exploded in the past

701
00:31:01,310 --> 00:30:58,919
five years over 90 percent will become

702
00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:01,320
technically no they they come with a

703
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:03,179
phone call or an email or something it's

704
00:31:07,370 --> 00:31:05,460
so goddamn clever written by people who

705
00:31:09,830 --> 00:31:07,380
understand the neuro-linguistic

706
00:31:12,590 --> 00:31:09,840
programming and other [\h__\h]

707
00:31:15,470 --> 00:31:12,600
to manipulate you

708
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:15,480
um into doing whatever they want people

709
00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:18,480
your password you know who cares

710
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:20,580
there are no technical hacks anymore

711
00:31:25,310 --> 00:31:22,559
please God obviously they're always

712
00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:25,320
someone interactive the DNC it was the

713
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:27,240
Russians it was

714
00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:30,000
Russians are not let me use a technical

715
00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:32,700
hack to go to the DNC

716
00:31:37,130 --> 00:31:34,620
then from some of the greatest social

717
00:31:39,049 --> 00:31:37,140
Engineers on the planet so people you

718
00:31:42,049 --> 00:31:39,059
don't have ignore that production

719
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:42,059
there is no software that will protect

720
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:43,440
you against anything I don't use

721
00:31:45,769 --> 00:31:44,399
anything

722
00:31:48,169 --> 00:31:45,779
nothing

723
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:48,179
you don't just try to even get out of

724
00:31:54,049 --> 00:31:52,080
knots on on um on Android

725
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:54,059
I try to just get away from all that

726
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:55,679
[\h__\h] because those are the entry points

727
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,880
by the way if you want to attack

728
00:32:02,149 --> 00:31:59,039
something you know attack the thing

729
00:32:04,250 --> 00:32:02,159
that's that is being protected you

730
00:32:07,130 --> 00:32:04,260
attack the goddamn protector

731
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,140
yeah I know this better than anybody I

732
00:32:12,169 --> 00:32:09,600
invented this [\h__\h] business I don't

733
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:12,179
know how it works yeah I wanted to go no

734
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,279
I don't want any of that stuff I mean it

735
00:32:18,289 --> 00:32:17,039
just makes it worse rather than get it I

736
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:18,299
wanted to ask you about the current

737
00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:20,760
state of of all the spyware that's even

738
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,600
embedded in in in Windows and Mac and

739
00:32:27,950 --> 00:32:26,159
what do you think of the current state

740
00:32:30,289 --> 00:32:27,960
of Linux because I'm a big Linux fan

741
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,299
that's what I run I think that gives me

742
00:32:33,950 --> 00:32:32,399
some better degree of freedom and

743
00:32:36,769 --> 00:32:33,960
protection than running a commercial

744
00:32:39,049 --> 00:32:36,779
something like Windows or Mac what do

745
00:32:40,130 --> 00:32:39,059
you use what do you think of Linux as an

746
00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:40,140
option

747
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:43,320
you know I only concern myself with the

748
00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:47,039
things that 99 of the people have to use

749
00:32:51,049 --> 00:32:48,600
smartphones

750
00:32:53,149 --> 00:32:51,059
those are the most prevalent of all

751
00:32:55,130 --> 00:32:53,159
computers and I'm sure that you can buy

752
00:33:00,110 --> 00:32:55,140
any computing power of all the

753
00:33:02,750 --> 00:33:00,120
smartphones far far exceeds that of a

754
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:02,760
thousand little fastest supercomputers

755
00:33:09,250 --> 00:33:06,240
today with the smartphone why

756
00:33:12,769 --> 00:33:09,260
why are you worried about your your

757
00:33:16,490 --> 00:33:12,779
laptop or your desktop or whatever your

758
00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:16,500
system is if in fact you're carrying the

759
00:33:22,669 --> 00:33:17,700
smartphone

760
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:22,679
going to sniff around and go oh well I

761
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,240
see a Wi-Fi connection here I wonder

762
00:33:29,210 --> 00:33:26,240
what that is

763
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:29,220
a laptop

764
00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:30,240
operation

765
00:33:35,769 --> 00:33:33,059
because oh it says Wi-Fi and so scams

766
00:33:39,049 --> 00:33:35,779
around little fathers are Bluetooth

767
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,059
because they're hmm I think we're right

768
00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:41,279
next to [\h__\h] desktop

769
00:33:46,330 --> 00:33:43,620
right now it's going to run through a

770
00:33:49,370 --> 00:33:46,340
whole host of possibilities

771
00:33:51,169 --> 00:33:49,380
Windows there's five efforts

772
00:33:54,110 --> 00:33:51,179
all the way down to

773
00:33:56,529 --> 00:33:54,120
um Unix wine and Linux whatever you

774
00:33:59,810 --> 00:33:56,539
probably have they don't know about it

775
00:34:04,070 --> 00:33:59,820
and I promise you if you have the

776
00:34:07,730 --> 00:34:04,080
[\h__\h] smartphone which is the ultimate

777
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:07,740
all Supply devices because not only can

778
00:34:14,089 --> 00:34:11,280
its spy on you 24 hours a day even when

779
00:34:17,810 --> 00:34:14,099
the [\h__\h] is apparently shut off

780
00:34:23,629 --> 00:34:17,820
we can spy through everything else that

781
00:34:25,490 --> 00:34:23,639
it can communicate with people get this

782
00:34:32,450 --> 00:34:25,500
through your heads

783
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:35,210
even though the signals are jammed to

784
00:34:39,889 --> 00:34:38,879
the max I'm just not risking we don't

785
00:34:44,869 --> 00:34:39,899
own

786
00:34:50,030 --> 00:34:47,690
I'm on the run dude I got a [\h__\h]

787
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,040
phone I've discovered in what 30 seconds

788
00:34:56,450 --> 00:34:52,800
the first [\h__\h] call I make to anybody

789
00:34:59,089 --> 00:34:56,460
that I have ever called before [\h__\h] yes

790
00:35:00,890 --> 00:34:59,099
I'm cooked I can't have one

791
00:35:03,290 --> 00:35:00,900
wow so

792
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:03,300
so no phones and I've I've seen some

793
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,400
stuff that you tweeted about the Faraday

794
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,440
cage you're real you're really that

795
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:09,119
serious about

796
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:12,000
keeping your location that secret that

797
00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:13,920
you you make sure that you have it it's

798
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:16,140
my life it's my life I mean people well

799
00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:17,520
you know this is going to imprison you

800
00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:19,800
it's my age that's that's one the rest

801
00:35:24,890 --> 00:35:21,960
of my [\h__\h] life you understand

802
00:35:28,130 --> 00:35:24,900
it's serious for me you know maybe for a

803
00:35:31,069 --> 00:35:28,140
young kid uh tax issues if you're some

804
00:35:33,530 --> 00:35:31,079
prison [\h__\h] no I've said before Oh Yeah

805
00:35:36,109 --> 00:35:33,540
you mentioned you mentioned the taxes I

806
00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:36,119
gotta tell you that uh you know I'm

807
00:35:41,450 --> 00:35:39,420
really uh not a fan of of income tax and

808
00:35:43,310 --> 00:35:41,460
you took a stand against the federal

809
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,320
government and just said I'm not going

810
00:35:47,569 --> 00:35:45,599
to pay you I think this is illegal and

811
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,579
that's exactly what I did what balls

812
00:35:52,190 --> 00:35:49,440
that take what I did you have not paid

813
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:52,200
taxes since when 2010

814
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:55,920
uh 2009 my friend

815
00:36:03,710 --> 00:35:59,520
no 2010 absolutely 2010 it's been it's

816
00:36:06,109 --> 00:36:03,720
10 years this year anyway yeah well why

817
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,119
you know why not now people go well you

818
00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:08,160
should take what's coming then I'm

819
00:36:15,290 --> 00:36:11,700
taking what came people I had to leave

820
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:15,300
the home that I was raised in and I

821
00:36:20,030 --> 00:36:18,720
loved and I know a [\h__\h] squirreliance

822
00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:20,040
of America

823
00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:23,220
so you do not think I am paying

824
00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:25,380
[\h__\h] you there

825
00:36:28,970 --> 00:36:27,420
sure it takes a lot of courage to stand

826
00:36:30,349 --> 00:36:28,980
up to the federal government because you

827
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:30,359
know they're they're gonna come after

828
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:31,680
you for this they're not going to just

829
00:36:35,810 --> 00:36:34,079
let you and especially to be so

830
00:36:38,210 --> 00:36:35,820
outspoken because you're causing

831
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:38,220
problems for them that's the problem see

832
00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:41,040
I am not in custody where they can sign

833
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,060
them soon

834
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:44,640
I am in a location where they can't

835
00:36:49,069 --> 00:36:46,980
collect me and yet I can talk to the

836
00:36:50,810 --> 00:36:49,079
world do you understand how frustrating

837
00:36:54,829 --> 00:36:50,820
that is for them

838
00:36:56,810 --> 00:36:54,839
I don't know just put a armor to shut me

839
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,820
down

840
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:59,040
yeah I'm still here and I'm still

841
00:37:02,329 --> 00:37:00,720
talking right

842
00:37:05,870 --> 00:37:02,339
yeah and you're standing up to them

843
00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:05,880
quite boldly I I had a uh I had a

844
00:37:10,849 --> 00:37:08,280
roommate once who just put exempt on his

845
00:37:12,170 --> 00:37:10,859
on his income tax and and I go you're

846
00:37:14,030 --> 00:37:12,180
just not going to pay them and he goes

847
00:37:16,010 --> 00:37:14,040
no I'm just not going to pay them and it

848
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,020
took a few years but they they caught up

849
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:18,240
to him and some IRS agents came to his

850
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:19,920
job put him in cuffs took him into

851
00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:22,079
custody questioned him and then he had

852
00:37:25,849 --> 00:37:23,700
to work out some arrangement or he was

853
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:25,859
going to prison yeah that's what they

854
00:37:29,170 --> 00:37:28,079
all do so but there's no arrangement for

855
00:37:34,030 --> 00:37:29,180
me people

856
00:37:40,210 --> 00:37:37,010
you've also been very outspoken about

857
00:37:42,829 --> 00:37:40,220
legalizing cannabis yes

858
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:42,839
and everything else really do you

859
00:37:46,010 --> 00:37:44,700
believe that Fentanyl and heroin should

860
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:46,020
be legal too

861
00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:49,200
yes who who

862
00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:52,380
can say oh this drug is okay but that

863
00:37:57,950 --> 00:37:55,500
talks a lot [\h__\h] you nobody goddamn

864
00:37:59,210 --> 00:37:57,960
knows what's okay or not okay for

865
00:38:02,569 --> 00:37:59,220
somebody else

866
00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:02,579
so you want to legalize every drug

867
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:04,920
not just every drug almost every goddamn

868
00:38:10,329 --> 00:38:07,680
law today I would legalized spitting on

869
00:38:12,829 --> 00:38:10,339
the streets in Montana if I could

870
00:38:14,270 --> 00:38:12,839
because it's not legal because that's

871
00:38:17,329 --> 00:38:14,280
not legal

872
00:38:20,030 --> 00:38:17,339
right yeah some of those some of those

873
00:38:22,130 --> 00:38:20,040
some of those are stupid laws absolutely

874
00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:22,140
but what do you think of of the the

875
00:38:25,910 --> 00:38:23,880
current Trend in the United States

876
00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:25,920
because a lot of people you know I've

877
00:38:29,630 --> 00:38:27,420
got a lot of conspiracy-minded friends

878
00:38:31,970 --> 00:38:29,640
who say they're going to give us pot now

879
00:38:34,910 --> 00:38:31,980
because they're trying to just keep us

880
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,920
happy and stupid and and so we don't

881
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,720
really look too deeply into what what's

882
00:38:40,190 --> 00:38:38,160
going on maybe that's why they're giving

883
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:40,200
us the pop but what what's what do you

884
00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:42,240
think when you look at the United States

885
00:38:47,089 --> 00:38:44,460
right now where a lot of states are

886
00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:47,099
legalizing even recreational use now

887
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:49,020
why do you think that's suddenly

888
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:51,359
happening all of a sudden is it just

889
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:55,040
that people want it because no it just

890
00:39:01,970 --> 00:38:59,520
this has been illegal for 75 years

891
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:01,980
um for most of my life actually a lot of

892
00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:03,000
my life

893
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,880
shopping until recently uh so I I know

894
00:39:09,710 --> 00:39:07,200
all about

895
00:39:10,730 --> 00:39:09,720
um unjust laws or laws that we just

896
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:10,740
don't care about

897
00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:12,839
why that what we're doing when we smoke

898
00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:14,820
weed is called disability let's go

899
00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:15,900
understand

900
00:39:21,010 --> 00:39:19,260
it was founded by some of the hardiest

901
00:39:22,849 --> 00:39:21,020
of Americans

902
00:39:24,349 --> 00:39:22,859
the person

903
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,359
you don't like the law and you're not

904
00:39:30,170 --> 00:39:27,119
harming anybody but it's not abandonment

905
00:39:31,970 --> 00:39:30,180
do what you think is right wow that was

906
00:39:36,349 --> 00:39:31,980
smoke weed right and so that's what we

907
00:39:38,990 --> 00:39:36,359
do yeah as a society so [\h__\h] mom lies

908
00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:39,000
are very little to do with reality

909
00:39:45,290 --> 00:39:41,700
it's the people who enforce

910
00:39:47,690 --> 00:39:45,300
and judge law that are the problem

911
00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:47,700
people because I'm not sure you make a

912
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:49,320
goddamn wrong you give me a clever

913
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:52,560
lawyer and the Leaning judge

914
00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:56,160
and an eager policeman I swear to God I

915
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,740
will convict anybody or anything sure

916
00:40:02,510 --> 00:40:00,720
you understand it's just what's

917
00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:02,520
happening to me people

918
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:07,740
it is not a crime not to file taxes

919
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,800
it's a crime to file taxes and rely on

920
00:40:15,770 --> 00:40:12,240
them

921
00:40:18,589 --> 00:40:15,780
I have not filed I could not implied

922
00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:18,599
now they have every right to come and

923
00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:20,280
take all my property

924
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:23,820
but nobody to arrest me and yet that is

925
00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:26,400
what they tried to do on the 22nd of

926
00:40:31,790 --> 00:40:29,160
January of last year

927
00:40:33,890 --> 00:40:31,800
with a grand jury yeah I followed that

928
00:40:37,609 --> 00:40:33,900
story I followed that story very closely

929
00:40:40,490 --> 00:40:37,619
yeah what have I done well nothing other

930
00:40:46,310 --> 00:40:40,500
than speak the truth

931
00:40:48,829 --> 00:40:46,320
I mean the IRS is a festering posture on

932
00:40:51,650 --> 00:40:48,839
the face of America people

933
00:40:53,569 --> 00:40:51,660
may see the truth of that

934
00:40:56,890 --> 00:40:53,579
it will change

935
00:40:59,569 --> 00:40:56,900
sure it has turned us into a feudal

936
00:41:01,010 --> 00:40:59,579
society yeah you're right and it's the

937
00:41:02,630 --> 00:41:01,020
rich and powerful and the one percent

938
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,640
you know it's the yeah look at the

939
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:04,800
people in Congress there's no poor

940
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,900
people in Congress and if they were poor

941
00:41:10,730 --> 00:41:08,160
when they get there they're rich when

942
00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:10,740
they get out so you know but not just

943
00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:13,380
that in a feudal society

944
00:41:18,829 --> 00:41:17,160
your labor was out right again and he

945
00:41:21,050 --> 00:41:18,839
could take it any way he wanted he could

946
00:41:21,950 --> 00:41:21,060
have you work for him for three months

947
00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:21,960
of the year

948
00:41:26,990 --> 00:41:24,300
or he decided to take three months of

949
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:27,000
your the fruits of your labor

950
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,720
um

951
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,000
is that not what our government does

952
00:41:33,109 --> 00:41:31,920
today to everyone

953
00:41:35,690 --> 00:41:33,119
yeah

954
00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:35,700
it makes us work for them

955
00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:36,900
three

956
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:39,420
months a year

957
00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:41,760
yeah when I when I look at you know I do

958
00:41:44,990 --> 00:41:43,380
with my taxes right now and when I look

959
00:41:48,410 --> 00:41:45,000
at how much that I'm paying them and how

960
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,420
hard I'm working I go you know and how

961
00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:50,400
terrible the government is the streets

962
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:52,140
are a mess that you know the

963
00:41:55,130 --> 00:41:53,640
government's a mess like it's not like

964
00:41:56,810 --> 00:41:55,140
they're taking the money and doing good

965
00:41:59,390 --> 00:41:56,820
with it if they were I would be okay

966
00:42:01,550 --> 00:41:59,400
with kicking in my part but the way

967
00:42:05,390 --> 00:42:01,560
everything is wrong they're taking 10

968
00:42:08,210 --> 00:42:05,400
times as much as they did in 1940 and in

969
00:42:11,450 --> 00:42:08,220
1940 we were a roommate [\h__\h] economy

970
00:42:14,329 --> 00:42:11,460
so something's wrong isn't something's

971
00:42:16,730 --> 00:42:14,339
wrong let's wake up America

972
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,740
sure you know and also I wanted to ask

973
00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:19,200
you you're you've uh talked a lot about

974
00:42:24,890 --> 00:42:21,420
psychedelics and I heard an incredible

975
00:42:26,690 --> 00:42:24,900
story about you and DMT where you took

976
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:26,700
some DMT and then you thought well this

977
00:42:32,089 --> 00:42:28,260
isn't working so then you took the whole

978
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:32,099
bag what was that like and and do you

979
00:42:36,170 --> 00:42:34,079
still recommend to people the use of

980
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:36,180
psychedelics after that kind of crazy

981
00:42:41,690 --> 00:42:37,680
experience

982
00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:41,700
I have never ever in my life recommended

983
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:44,099
any drug to anyone so I could deal with

984
00:42:51,050 --> 00:42:47,760
otherwise please and I would never

985
00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:51,060
consider it that would be number one

986
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,380
presumptuous and number two insane

987
00:42:59,990 --> 00:42:57,119
you know different drugs have different

988
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,000
effects on different people

989
00:43:03,890 --> 00:43:01,920
no I would never recommend taking any

990
00:43:07,730 --> 00:43:03,900
drug I would recommend you recommend

991
00:43:10,750 --> 00:43:07,740
drink you know smoking cigarettes

992
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:10,760
I do all of them yeah

993
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:13,200
right that's my choice

994
00:43:20,450 --> 00:43:16,980
yes it's not my business to try to to

995
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:20,460
mold the world around me

996
00:43:27,230 --> 00:43:23,760
to be an image of myself

997
00:43:32,450 --> 00:43:30,950
and my goal is just to do what I feel

998
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:32,460
like

999
00:43:40,609 --> 00:43:37,920
I only have one rule I do as I please

1000
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:40,619
nothing more and nothing less well that

1001
00:43:48,349 --> 00:43:44,640
sounds like I do not in so doing ever

1002
00:43:50,930 --> 00:43:48,359
interfere with someone else's ability to

1003
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:50,940
do the same now how [\h__\h] easy is that

1004
00:44:02,690 --> 00:43:59,690
do as I please and do not interfere with

1005
00:44:04,730 --> 00:44:02,700
another's ability to do effectiveness

1006
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:04,740
oh so what was what was that experience

1007
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:06,660
like that when you did that big I heard

1008
00:44:09,770 --> 00:44:08,220
that I've heard a whole bunch of

1009
00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:09,780
different sites reporting that you did a

1010
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:12,660
whole bag of DMT ones do you recall what

1011
00:44:18,050 --> 00:44:14,280
that experience was like or do you want

1012
00:44:21,170 --> 00:44:18,060
to do I recall do I [\h__\h] week oh

1013
00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:21,180
you're [\h__\h] me no it was the one

1014
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:24,540
experience of my life that I have never

1015
00:44:31,849 --> 00:44:28,380
recovered from and even today my friend

1016
00:44:35,089 --> 00:44:31,859
50 [\h__\h] years later

1017
00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:38,150
I am missing pieces of me

1018
00:44:43,490 --> 00:44:41,400
that when my world shattered

1019
00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:43,500
and it [\h__\h] shattered

1020
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,859
like a mirror into a billion pieces on

1021
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,480
the ground none of it made any sense

1022
00:44:54,050 --> 00:44:50,640
that was the only perception I could see

1023
00:44:56,690 --> 00:44:54,060
was the goddamn mirror in the shadow

1024
00:45:01,609 --> 00:44:56,700
so all of my perceptions all of the

1025
00:45:04,849 --> 00:45:01,619
words the images had no [\h__\h] meaning

1026
00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:04,859
it was there shattered

1027
00:45:12,829 --> 00:45:09,960
and it took three months thank God they

1028
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:12,839
did not from institutionalized me

1029
00:45:18,109 --> 00:45:15,119
because they they could very well have a

1030
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,119
good work of course my wife got fighting

1031
00:45:21,050 --> 00:45:20,160
and my daughter and went to live with my

1032
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:21,060
mother's

1033
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:24,480
uh my friends would avoided me I was

1034
00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:26,280
alone in this goddamn a hundred two

1035
00:45:30,170 --> 00:45:27,900
[\h__\h] months

1036
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:30,180
and what was I doing I was taking every

1037
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:39,829
amazing and peace

1038
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,290
into what I thought

1039
00:45:48,349 --> 00:45:44,640
might be

1040
00:45:50,270 --> 00:45:48,359
some resemblance to reality

1041
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,280
now I've lived with that book a little

1042
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:52,079
sense

1043
00:45:56,450 --> 00:45:53,880
do not

1044
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:56,460
I say and I don't even tell people not

1045
00:46:02,569 --> 00:45:59,760
to do anything but I'm saying do not

1046
00:46:04,730 --> 00:46:02,579
repeat my experiment

1047
00:46:06,170 --> 00:46:04,740
that's probably good advice you know

1048
00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:06,180
with little experience that I've had

1049
00:46:11,210 --> 00:46:08,460
with psychedelics I think less is more

1050
00:46:13,790 --> 00:46:11,220
you know uh I I couldn't even imagine

1051
00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:13,800
doing something like that because you

1052
00:46:19,970 --> 00:46:16,380
know I I I've done uh you know just just

1053
00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:19,980
LSD and it was two days of crazy and uh

1054
00:46:24,050 --> 00:46:22,260
had a very profound experience was it a

1055
00:46:26,569 --> 00:46:24,060
fun crazy or was it well you know it was

1056
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,579
like hellishly introspective crazy yeah

1057
00:46:31,309 --> 00:46:29,280
it was it was it was a profound good

1058
00:46:33,230 --> 00:46:31,319
experience I wouldn't want to repeat it

1059
00:46:35,089 --> 00:46:33,240
though because at the end I was getting

1060
00:46:37,370 --> 00:46:35,099
these emotional shock waves I was

1061
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:37,380
laughing I was crying I was realizing

1062
00:46:42,410 --> 00:46:40,319
things about myself and the world and I

1063
00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:42,420
would never take it take it away though

1064
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:44,700
I thought it was a good experience you

1065
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,280
know I wanted to do it all the time but

1066
00:46:52,730 --> 00:46:49,920
I wouldn't take away a single one of my

1067
00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:52,740
experiences none of them not one not

1068
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:55,740
even not even that horrific three months

1069
00:47:01,069 --> 00:46:59,040
which I pray no other human ever has to

1070
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:01,079
experience not even that

1071
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:03,780
what I back down from because it is what

1072
00:47:08,569 --> 00:47:06,720
has brought me to Here and Now and God

1073
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:08,579
damn there is no happier person on this

1074
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,359
planet

1075
00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:11,280
yeah you know I follow you on Twitter

1076
00:47:15,230 --> 00:47:12,540
and it just seems like you're you're

1077
00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:15,240
having for being a guy that's a fugitive

1078
00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:17,700
and On The Run you seem to be incredibly

1079
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:20,220
well balanced happy and and pursuing

1080
00:47:23,089 --> 00:47:21,720
whatever it is that you want to do just

1081
00:47:24,829 --> 00:47:23,099
like you said earlier you just do what

1082
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:24,839
you want to do that's an amazing life

1083
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:26,400
right

1084
00:47:32,750 --> 00:47:29,280
listen being on the Run does not mean

1085
00:47:35,150 --> 00:47:32,760
you can't do what you please being in

1086
00:47:37,730 --> 00:47:35,160
jail does not mean you can't do what you

1087
00:47:40,490 --> 00:47:37,740
please you do as you please with the

1088
00:47:42,530 --> 00:47:40,500
reality that you're that you have and if

1089
00:47:44,690 --> 00:47:42,540
you have any sense you accept that

1090
00:47:47,329 --> 00:47:44,700
reality so

1091
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:47,339
I can't go oh [\h__\h] I want to fly to the

1092
00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:50,720
moon and I can't fly oh

1093
00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:53,880
dude don't have any [\h__\h] wings and so

1094
00:47:59,630 --> 00:47:57,660
do as you please within the reality of

1095
00:48:01,849 --> 00:47:59,640
your existence so if you're in prison

1096
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,859
that's it trust me I'm not talking

1097
00:48:05,450 --> 00:48:03,359
through my ass I've been in jail more

1098
00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,460
times than any of you listens I [\h__\h]

1099
00:48:10,010 --> 00:48:07,440
promise you why they're probably none of

1100
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:10,020
you 74 years old and therefore have not

1101
00:48:13,309 --> 00:48:11,520
had the time

1102
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,319
to spend themselves it was full

1103
00:48:17,569 --> 00:48:16,079
environment so yeah I wanted to see if

1104
00:48:19,790 --> 00:48:17,579
you wanted to talk about some of the

1105
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,800
controversy yeah you know I've heard a

1106
00:48:24,950 --> 00:48:22,079
lot of controversial things about what

1107
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:24,960
happened in Belize and and you being a

1108
00:48:29,630 --> 00:48:27,599
person of interest and uh you know when

1109
00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:29,640
I look at that situation I don't blame

1110
00:48:34,910 --> 00:48:32,760
you because this back water police that

1111
00:48:36,589 --> 00:48:34,920
can't be trusted and you know the

1112
00:48:38,770 --> 00:48:36,599
situation that you were in

1113
00:48:43,069 --> 00:48:38,780
I wouldn't have felt safe to stay there

1114
00:48:46,910 --> 00:48:43,079
and uh and deal with that in a probably

1115
00:48:49,550 --> 00:48:46,920
corrupt police system and you know and

1116
00:48:51,470 --> 00:48:49,560
so well listen I keep in mind you know

1117
00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:51,480
this is not something as trivial as well

1118
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:53,640
as you just described no this is way way

1119
00:49:00,410 --> 00:48:56,400
deeper you can run six months earlier

1120
00:49:01,609 --> 00:49:00,420
they had raided my property in the

1121
00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:01,619
jungle

1122
00:49:09,530 --> 00:49:07,079
uh 50 almost 50 arms Special Forces

1123
00:49:11,630 --> 00:49:09,540
not in Wyatt here storm there probably

1124
00:49:14,650 --> 00:49:11,640
six in the morning shot my dog in front

1125
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:14,660
of my eye I said Mr McQueen

1126
00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:16,880
yeah it's hard

1127
00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:19,319
and uh

1128
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:21,300
sort of abused me for a whole [\h__\h]

1129
00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:23,640
day and then left

1130
00:49:30,589 --> 00:49:27,240
um this happened after the Prime

1131
00:49:34,609 --> 00:49:30,599
Minister sent one of his flunkies uh to

1132
00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:34,619
ask me for a two million dollar donation

1133
00:49:41,089 --> 00:49:37,980
um for the um the next election coming

1134
00:49:42,770 --> 00:49:41,099
up in March see these are the things

1135
00:49:44,809 --> 00:49:42,780
that people don't really hear they don't

1136
00:49:46,910 --> 00:49:44,819
hear that in the media they get the one

1137
00:49:49,609 --> 00:49:46,920
side they get the one-sided story not

1138
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,619
yours the story the true story says too

1139
00:49:54,349 --> 00:49:51,599
long to tell that's the only reason when

1140
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:54,359
we finish it you'll understand

1141
00:49:59,930 --> 00:49:56,880
so they'd come and ask me for a donation

1142
00:50:02,210 --> 00:49:59,940
I said no a week after that to the day

1143
00:50:05,930 --> 00:50:02,220
so when they raided my property

1144
00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:05,940
did nothing after they left the next day

1145
00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:07,560
that man came back and said oh Mr

1146
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:09,720
actually I am so sorry

1147
00:50:17,450 --> 00:50:12,800
we made a mistake we had bad information

1148
00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:17,460
or please please will you forgive us

1149
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:21,420
and um and they said oh and this might

1150
00:50:25,609 --> 00:50:22,920
be um

1151
00:50:29,210 --> 00:50:25,619
I assume you've reconsidered your

1152
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,220
donation right now no a smart man would

1153
00:50:34,190 --> 00:50:31,680
have gone you bet I have here take four

1154
00:50:36,829 --> 00:50:34,200
million I'm sorry I didn't do it earlier

1155
00:50:40,190 --> 00:50:36,839
now that's what a smart man

1156
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,200
what did I do I said get the [\h__\h]

1157
00:50:44,210 --> 00:50:42,240
off

1158
00:50:47,809 --> 00:50:44,220
even mine day before they shot my dog

1159
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:47,819
had they not shot in the goddamn dog

1160
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:50,400
I could probably have gotten over it

1161
00:51:01,730 --> 00:50:59,210
so no I'm not cooperating with you

1162
00:51:06,309 --> 00:51:01,740
pricks get the [\h__\h] out and that was a

1163
00:51:09,049 --> 00:51:06,319
mistake no they had him chasing at night

1164
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:09,059
it was a long story and it's coming out

1165
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:12,660
very soon but in any case for six months

1166
00:51:17,569 --> 00:51:15,000
trying to keep in mind I'm surrounded by

1167
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:17,579
17 armed guards Wherever I Go only the

1168
00:51:22,970 --> 00:51:20,400
former ex convicts and and deadly

1169
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:22,980
Marksman so we don't want to start up a

1170
00:51:35,809 --> 00:51:33,470
so they gotta catch me somehow without

1171
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,819
my guards which never happens

1172
00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:37,200
or

1173
00:51:41,690 --> 00:51:40,020
collect it legally

1174
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:41,700
yeah

1175
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:44,880
I mean if they come to arrest me as a

1176
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:47,760
suspect and a murderer and my guards

1177
00:51:51,530 --> 00:51:49,920
open fire well [\h__\h] me if that didn't

1178
00:51:54,890 --> 00:51:51,540
happen of course I'm not gonna let that

1179
00:51:57,290 --> 00:51:54,900
happen I don't have to get arrested

1180
00:51:58,730 --> 00:51:57,300
right and that's exactly what [\h__\h]

1181
00:52:01,309 --> 00:51:58,740
happened

1182
00:52:02,930 --> 00:52:01,319
the government killed my neighbor for

1183
00:52:05,450 --> 00:52:02,940
Christ's sakes because people everybody

1184
00:52:07,730 --> 00:52:05,460
believes it

1185
00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:07,740
wow and then came for me the next day to

1186
00:52:11,809 --> 00:52:09,300
remember

1187
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:11,819
yeah and Tony I was not willing to be

1188
00:52:15,650 --> 00:52:13,140
arrested

1189
00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:15,660
I was not going to go that route just

1190
00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:18,180
like I was not willing to let the IRS

1191
00:52:21,890 --> 00:52:19,980
arrest me no

1192
00:52:23,690 --> 00:52:21,900
I'll let you know when I'm ready to be

1193
00:52:26,450 --> 00:52:23,700
arrested people

1194
00:52:28,010 --> 00:52:26,460
it's not yet

1195
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:28,020
so

1196
00:52:31,849 --> 00:52:28,800
um

1197
00:52:33,410 --> 00:52:31,859
so I went immediately into hiding and

1198
00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:33,420
this is some serious hiding now I mean

1199
00:52:37,670 --> 00:52:35,579
not not hiding where the government's

1200
00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:37,680
trying to find it but no hiding where

1201
00:52:42,950 --> 00:52:40,260
the cops are just eat from me and I'm

1202
00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:42,960
hiding under a house

1203
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:49,490
and that's a long story yeah I've heard

1204
00:52:53,569 --> 00:52:51,240
that everybody knows that everybody

1205
00:52:55,730 --> 00:52:53,579
knows I escaped as everybody knows

1206
00:52:58,990 --> 00:52:55,740
however

1207
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:59,000
I was arrested in Guatemala in June 2

1208
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:01,920
Vice magazine you can read that story

1209
00:53:07,370 --> 00:53:04,079
online folks it's a long story but yes

1210
00:53:10,430 --> 00:53:07,380
but I got out of that

1211
00:53:11,870 --> 00:53:10,440
I'm out of America and I hope and for

1212
00:53:14,710 --> 00:53:11,880
those who are really really [\h__\h]

1213
00:53:26,290 --> 00:53:14,720
curious I mean I am inside the Arkansas

1214
00:53:32,690 --> 00:53:29,870
you get here and all along the way

1215
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:32,700
you're going to be alerting people who

1216
00:53:37,630 --> 00:53:34,740
have snowmobiles and other [\h__\h] to get

1217
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,640
to be faster so you will not

1218
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:39,839
collectively sorry ass

1219
00:53:44,990 --> 00:53:43,200
this year at least

1220
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:45,000
yeah I've I've seen online there's

1221
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:47,040
there's sort of some website that's like

1222
00:53:51,710 --> 00:53:49,380
where in the world is John McPhee then

1223
00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:51,720
people are guessing did you know that

1224
00:53:55,490 --> 00:53:53,880
are you aware of that the interest that

1225
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:55,500
people have just in where you are no

1226
00:54:01,730 --> 00:53:57,599
guessing like somebody told me that you

1227
00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:01,740
were in Russia somebody I asked around I

1228
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:05,460
I uh I have uh some contact that's in

1229
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:07,200
federal law enforcement and I asked him

1230
00:54:11,690 --> 00:54:09,240
uh about you and where they think you

1231
00:54:13,849 --> 00:54:11,700
are and he said we have various

1232
00:54:17,569 --> 00:54:13,859
intelligence placing him in Europe and

1233
00:54:20,030 --> 00:54:17,579
in Russia uh and maybe Australia I think

1234
00:54:22,250 --> 00:54:20,040
I'd heard from him so they're they're

1235
00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,260
looking this is a federal law

1236
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,240
enforcement officer who told me that

1237
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:26,160
they have various intelligence that's

1238
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,160
placing you in Europe how did that

1239
00:54:32,510 --> 00:54:30,480
conversation happen can you tell me that

1240
00:54:34,609 --> 00:54:32,520
well this is a person that I talk to

1241
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:34,619
occasionally sort of a friend of a

1242
00:54:39,290 --> 00:54:37,280
friend and uh he has some interest in

1243
00:54:40,849 --> 00:54:39,300
conspiracy-minded stuff and things like

1244
00:54:42,650 --> 00:54:40,859
that so I thought well let me ask him

1245
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,660
where where the government thinks you

1246
00:54:46,010 --> 00:54:44,160
know and I don't know if he's accurate

1247
00:54:47,329 --> 00:54:46,020
or he's he's telling me the truth but

1248
00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:47,339
that's what he told me that they think

1249
00:54:52,910 --> 00:54:51,240
you're in Russia or in a non-friendly to

1250
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:52,920
the United States country that's what

1251
00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:55,680
they think a non-extradition country yes

1252
00:55:01,549 --> 00:54:58,800
thank God why because the only listen

1253
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,559
there's no secrecy in my life because I

1254
00:55:05,089 --> 00:55:03,359
know wherever I'm going to be listened

1255
00:55:06,829 --> 00:55:05,099
to by something that if I have something

1256
00:55:09,049 --> 00:55:06,839
electronic or not

1257
00:55:11,329 --> 00:55:09,059
my only concern is making sure that the

1258
00:55:15,230 --> 00:55:11,339
location of where I am can never happen

1259
00:55:17,930 --> 00:55:15,240
all right and that I can guarantee you

1260
00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:17,940
um so from the safety you know and for

1261
00:55:21,770 --> 00:55:19,859
some reason my sensation

1262
00:55:24,290 --> 00:55:21,780
say

1263
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:24,300
which which I will do

1264
00:55:31,010 --> 00:55:27,359
um but yes my disinformation

1265
00:55:35,390 --> 00:55:31,020
is designed to make them spend as much

1266
00:55:38,809 --> 00:55:35,400
money and as much time as possible in

1267
00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:38,819
futiles searches for me in places where

1268
00:55:43,849 --> 00:55:41,880
they are started that I am

1269
00:55:45,829 --> 00:55:43,859
now I played this game I've been playing

1270
00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:45,839
it for years and I will continue to play

1271
00:55:50,809 --> 00:55:48,660
it better than my opponent

1272
00:55:53,230 --> 00:55:50,819
because I'm older than them or something

1273
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:53,240
but wiser yeah

1274
00:55:58,609 --> 00:55:56,880
or wiser you're a little wiser or

1275
00:56:01,609 --> 00:55:58,619
whatever but

1276
00:56:03,710 --> 00:56:01,619
I invented cyber security people

1277
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:03,720
the only way to find someone today is

1278
00:56:08,690 --> 00:56:06,240
electronically they've forgotten the old

1279
00:56:10,609 --> 00:56:08,700
test of dropping a thousand people on

1280
00:56:13,490 --> 00:56:10,619
the ground and going just sniff around

1281
00:56:16,430 --> 00:56:13,500
no they don't do that [\h__\h] anymore you

1282
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:16,440
don't have a smartphone and you know how

1283
00:56:22,370 --> 00:56:19,800
to hide your Communications but

1284
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:22,380
if anybody knows better from me

1285
00:56:26,210 --> 00:56:24,480
or how to hide Communications and please

1286
00:56:27,770 --> 00:56:26,220
go and step forward because I want to

1287
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,780
shake your hand

1288
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:30,000
because I haven't met you before

1289
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:31,200
so no

1290
00:56:34,430 --> 00:56:32,880
can't find me

1291
00:56:36,770 --> 00:56:34,440
I am ahead

1292
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:36,780
they will never find me until I am ready

1293
00:56:41,690 --> 00:56:39,599
to be found and maybe I will be sometime

1294
00:56:45,290 --> 00:56:41,700
it might be

1295
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:45,300
convenient for me to be found at just

1296
00:56:50,089 --> 00:56:47,760
the right

1297
00:56:56,450 --> 00:56:50,099
[\h__\h] don't matter

1298
00:57:00,549 --> 00:56:56,460
wow that that folds into something else

1299
00:57:02,270 --> 00:57:00,559
that when combined together people go

1300
00:57:04,250 --> 00:57:02,280
[\h__\h] hell

1301
00:57:07,970 --> 00:57:04,260
now that would be advantageous and

1302
00:57:10,190 --> 00:57:07,980
obviously the sort of [\h__\h] that I

1303
00:57:12,170 --> 00:57:10,200
grew up with all the time

1304
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:12,180
well and you know you're you're a huge

1305
00:57:16,990 --> 00:57:14,220
supporter of cryptocurrency that may be

1306
00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:17,000
another reason why they don't like you

1307
00:57:22,370 --> 00:57:20,280
the main reason now yeah yeah I think

1308
00:57:25,490 --> 00:57:22,380
you know I think that the the federal

1309
00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:25,500
government in my view is terrified a lot

1310
00:57:30,170 --> 00:57:28,260
of governments are of cryptocurrency can

1311
00:57:32,030 --> 00:57:30,180
you talk a little bit about why why are

1312
00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:32,040
you so interested in cryptocurrency and

1313
00:57:36,589 --> 00:57:34,859
what's the best part why do you think

1314
00:57:38,750 --> 00:57:36,599
it's so advantageous

1315
00:57:41,630 --> 00:57:38,760
why do you think it's a good thing and

1316
00:57:44,089 --> 00:57:41,640
and what what for one and only one

1317
00:57:46,370 --> 00:57:44,099
reason privacy

1318
00:57:49,490 --> 00:57:46,380
um and unstoppability

1319
00:57:51,849 --> 00:57:49,500
something that can't be controlled by

1320
00:57:54,770 --> 00:57:51,859
those who are in power do you understand

1321
00:57:58,010 --> 00:57:54,780
how powerful that is

1322
00:58:00,349 --> 00:57:58,020
sure a thing which power

1323
00:58:03,790 --> 00:58:00,359
cannot affect

1324
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:03,800
a thing impervious too

1325
00:58:08,990 --> 00:58:07,200
or of course then it can't be controlled

1326
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:09,000
by the by the people already in control

1327
00:58:13,309 --> 00:58:11,520
that's why they're scared yeah that's

1328
00:58:16,309 --> 00:58:13,319
the whole thing the self-controlled by

1329
00:58:18,530 --> 00:58:16,319
anybody about the good cards is we

1330
00:58:21,950 --> 00:58:18,540
already had privacy coins like modern

1331
00:58:25,849 --> 00:58:21,960
absolutely fantastic and I created the

1332
00:58:28,490 --> 00:58:25,859
first real a distributed exchange just

1333
00:58:31,970 --> 00:58:28,500
two months ago it's in beta but the

1334
00:58:34,609 --> 00:58:31,980
[\h__\h] thing works and can't be shut

1335
00:58:38,089 --> 00:58:34,619
down ever

1336
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:38,099
technically or other lives can't be done

1337
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:39,839
and

1338
00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:42,240
we do an okay when I see

1339
00:58:49,789 --> 00:58:46,260
we just know AML and we do nothing but

1340
00:58:51,950 --> 00:58:49,799
the SEC demanded that we do

1341
00:58:54,770 --> 00:58:51,960
you don't have to give us a name an

1342
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:54,780
email address nothing you wander through

1343
00:59:00,170 --> 00:58:57,599
our portal and you start trading

1344
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:00,180
and if you're trading with

1345
00:59:08,569 --> 00:59:04,079
um a privacy coin there is no power on

1346
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:08,579
Earth that can find out who you are

1347
00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:12,480
so what transaction just to transpire

1348
00:59:18,890 --> 00:59:15,720
or what's in your wallet or not

1349
00:59:20,809 --> 00:59:18,900
do you see the power of this people yeah

1350
00:59:22,910 --> 00:59:20,819
I recognized early on because you know

1351
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:22,920
I'm a computer science guy the power of

1352
00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:25,680
of what Bitcoin could be I still have

1353
00:59:29,690 --> 00:59:27,780
some concerns because you don't know

1354
00:59:31,789 --> 00:59:29,700
really who's pulling the strings behind

1355
00:59:34,130 --> 00:59:31,799
some of these some of these Bitcoins

1356
00:59:36,170 --> 00:59:34,140
some of the newer ones and now we have

1357
00:59:38,030 --> 00:59:36,180
and there are some that are less than

1358
00:59:40,430 --> 00:59:38,040
reputable let's just say that and you've

1359
00:59:41,809 --> 00:59:40,440
made some predictions I hope you have a

1360
00:59:43,549 --> 00:59:41,819
sense of humor because I I have one

1361
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:43,559
question I want to ask I did it okay

1362
00:59:48,049 --> 00:59:46,079
there's one question you you made some

1363
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:48,059
famous predictions about Bitcoin going

1364
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first to five hundred thousand dollars

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00:59:56,530 --> 00:59:53,460
and then uh later you said it's going to

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go to 100 million

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01:00:01,250 --> 00:59:59,160
I'm sorry one million and you famously

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01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,260
said if it does not go to one million by

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01:00:06,349 --> 01:00:03,359
the end of 2020 you would eat your dick

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01:00:08,089 --> 01:00:06,359
so I wanted to know if you were still in

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01:00:10,809 --> 01:00:08,099
line with that prediction given the drop

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01:00:13,970 --> 01:00:10,819
the recent drops

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01:00:15,609 --> 01:00:13,980
let's all be real with each other that

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01:00:19,309 --> 01:00:15,619
statement

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01:00:23,630 --> 01:00:19,319
onboarded over 100

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01:00:26,690 --> 01:00:23,640
000 new users to cryptocurrency yeah

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01:00:28,910 --> 01:00:26,700
no nobody is going to ever eat their own

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01:00:31,010 --> 01:00:28,920
dick I'm telling them sure I hope not

1379
01:00:32,089 --> 01:00:31,020
the women that's not garbage it's

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01:00:34,910 --> 01:00:32,099
because we're going to hit a million

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01:00:37,849 --> 01:00:34,920
dollars highly unlikely we all knew it

1382
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:37,859
then I knew it then but the statement

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01:00:44,630 --> 01:00:41,520
would be combo of eating my dick it's

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01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:44,640
got a huge for folks that don't know it

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01:00:51,230 --> 01:00:47,040
was one of the most retweeted tweets

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01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:51,240
ever yes ever got outside of the

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01:00:55,789 --> 01:00:53,160
cryptocurrency community which is what

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01:00:58,569 --> 01:00:55,799
we needed no one was going to pay

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01:01:03,230 --> 01:00:58,579
attention to us nerds

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01:01:06,109 --> 01:01:03,240
masturbating with cryptocurrencies no it

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01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,119
needed something to get out there McAfee

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01:01:10,370 --> 01:01:08,400
the antivirus guy I'm gonna need this

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01:01:12,289 --> 01:01:10,380
dick what's that it's all about a

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01:01:14,510 --> 01:01:12,299
hundred thousand years of people it did

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01:01:17,569 --> 01:01:14,520
its job am I going to eat my dick [\h__\h]

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01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:17,579
no what is what what's Bitcoin do you

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01:01:22,250 --> 01:01:19,260
want to do I don't know

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01:01:24,109 --> 01:01:22,260
I am I have no Crystal goddamn I don't

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01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:24,119
know any more about what's going to

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01:01:29,450 --> 01:01:27,359
happen tomorrow and and it because it's

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01:01:31,490 --> 01:01:29,460
a little dark at the wrong

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01:01:33,650 --> 01:01:31,500
just as good as yummy

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01:01:36,349 --> 01:01:33,660
so this was a this was sort of a

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01:01:38,329 --> 01:01:36,359
carefully you you kind of it's a kind of

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01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:38,339
like a chess game because if if what you

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01:01:41,930 --> 01:01:39,839
wanted to do was get the word out about

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01:01:44,510 --> 01:01:41,940
cryptocurrency and its value and its

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01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:44,520
worth this was one of the most retweeted

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01:01:50,690 --> 01:01:46,559
tweets ever in the history of Twitter

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01:01:53,870 --> 01:01:50,700
and it was it was in dozens of articles

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01:01:55,970 --> 01:01:53,880
online quoting your tweet that you said

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01:01:57,890 --> 01:01:55,980
that and I I think that was a pretty

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01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:57,900
masterful move on your part if that's

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01:02:02,809 --> 01:01:59,760
what your intention was is just to gain

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01:02:03,710 --> 01:02:02,819
attention it worked well not for me not

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01:02:06,170 --> 01:02:03,720
to me

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01:02:08,210 --> 01:02:06,180
but they gave attention to say well

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01:02:10,609 --> 01:02:08,220
let's try this people [\h__\h] me you tried

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01:02:14,510 --> 01:02:10,619
everything else how about this

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01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:14,520
it brought millions of eyeballs and over

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01:02:20,569 --> 01:02:16,740
a hundred thousand users

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01:02:23,890 --> 01:02:20,579
somewhere in the the spike within a

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01:02:27,710 --> 01:02:23,900
month afterwards was unaccountable for

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01:02:28,730 --> 01:02:27,720
by any other reason than my goddamn

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01:02:32,930 --> 01:02:28,740
tweet

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01:02:36,170 --> 01:02:32,940
sure now was that not worth it yes

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01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,180
absolutely and I do it again

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01:02:41,930 --> 01:02:38,160
why do you do something similar even

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01:02:45,049 --> 01:02:41,940
yours be prepared but if it brings

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01:02:48,650 --> 01:02:45,059
attention to the only thing people that

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01:02:52,430 --> 01:02:48,660
is going to free us if anything does

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01:02:54,730 --> 01:02:52,440
is the blockchain and cryptocurrency I

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01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:54,740
have created a distributed exchange

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01:03:02,470 --> 01:02:59,040
based on Smart contracts on the

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01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:02,480
blockchains which can we have ever

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01:03:08,930 --> 01:03:06,720
be destroyed changed or removed

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01:03:10,970 --> 01:03:08,940
it's there forever and it's free and

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01:03:14,270 --> 01:03:10,980
it's for you

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01:03:16,370 --> 01:03:14,280
sure and when it broke every single rule

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01:03:18,650 --> 01:03:16,380
in the book

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01:03:21,109 --> 01:03:18,660
I want I wanted to ask you about mining

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01:03:23,690 --> 01:03:21,119
too because when when crypto mining

1443
01:03:26,089 --> 01:03:23,700
first started you know I I used to build

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01:03:28,130 --> 01:03:26,099
computers and I I got into that for a

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01:03:30,130 --> 01:03:28,140
little while but I was way late in the

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01:03:33,170 --> 01:03:30,140
game and now it seems like

1447
01:03:36,049 --> 01:03:33,180
mining for Bitcoin is no longer really

1448
01:03:37,730 --> 01:03:36,059
financially a good thing yeah I mean you

1449
01:03:38,990 --> 01:03:37,740
can't be I try to beat the system like

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01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:39,000
how could I figure this out and I

1451
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:41,099
couldn't get past the electric bill you

1452
01:03:45,710 --> 01:03:43,680
know like I would mine I would get like

1453
01:03:48,170 --> 01:03:45,720
you know 300 worth of bitcoin but then

1454
01:03:49,970 --> 01:03:48,180
my electric bill was 400. I just

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01:03:51,770 --> 01:03:49,980
couldn't get past it so what do you

1456
01:03:54,829 --> 01:03:51,780
saying about Bitcoin mining

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01:03:57,650 --> 01:03:54,839
well see because money has gotten a way

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01:03:59,049 --> 01:03:57,660
way way more sophisticated this formula

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01:04:00,770 --> 01:03:59,059
temperature

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01:04:03,710 --> 01:04:00,780
all right

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01:04:08,510 --> 01:04:03,720
electricity costs

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01:04:10,370 --> 01:04:08,520
um and the cost of construction and and

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01:04:13,309 --> 01:04:10,380
maintenance and all the things with

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01:04:15,230 --> 01:04:13,319
shipping in s9s from China by the

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01:04:16,430 --> 01:04:15,240
trillions okay

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01:04:19,849 --> 01:04:16,440
um

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01:04:22,670 --> 01:04:19,859
and it will not work at below

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01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:22,680
9 000 feet anywhere

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01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:25,680
uh in America can't happen

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01:04:32,109 --> 01:04:28,319
to God damn room

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01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:32,119
um it cannot work under any standard

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01:04:39,890 --> 01:04:35,520
electrical service rate

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01:04:41,809 --> 01:04:39,900
um when I was mining at MGT we chose in

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01:04:45,049 --> 01:04:41,819
the state of Washington

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01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:45,059
Partners who were ranchers and being

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01:04:51,470 --> 01:04:48,000
ranchers when they allowed the state to

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01:04:53,630 --> 01:04:51,480
run electric lines across a hundred

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01:04:57,049 --> 01:04:53,640
miles of their Ranch

1479
01:04:59,630 --> 01:04:57,059
gave ranchers and almost ridiculously

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01:05:01,730 --> 01:04:59,640
small cost

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01:05:04,390 --> 01:05:01,740
so we partnered with Rancher and we'd

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01:05:07,730 --> 01:05:04,400
build the facility on his [\h__\h] Ranch

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01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:07,740
and we have almost free electricity so

1484
01:05:12,589 --> 01:05:10,079
they built the server Farm there these

1485
01:05:14,450 --> 01:05:12,599
are the games if you can't play these

1486
01:05:18,109 --> 01:05:14,460
games don't get into the mining business

1487
01:05:22,450 --> 01:05:18,119
because you will not succeed

1488
01:05:25,970 --> 01:05:22,460
not succeeding electricity will kill you

1489
01:05:28,670 --> 01:05:25,980
and unless you're in some mining or

1490
01:05:32,450 --> 01:05:28,680
unless you have you know 200 at least or

1491
01:05:34,670 --> 01:05:32,460
500 uh s9s they're running non-stop

1492
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:34,680
you're not going to be assured of making

1493
01:05:37,970 --> 01:05:36,000
anything at all

1494
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:37,980
you know you buy one S9 you might run

1495
01:05:41,809 --> 01:05:39,599
the [\h__\h] for five how to do this and

1496
01:05:44,870 --> 01:05:41,819
not find the same for Bitcoin wow yeah

1497
01:05:46,910 --> 01:05:44,880
well it's a numbers game people

1498
01:05:50,990 --> 01:05:46,920
yeah and I guess I wanted to ask you to

1499
01:05:55,549 --> 01:05:53,390
what you're a big supporter of of

1500
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:55,559
cryptocurrency but what do you think

1501
01:06:00,410 --> 01:05:57,839
about some of the scams that have come

1502
01:06:03,410 --> 01:06:00,420
up around cryptocurrency and and some of

1503
01:06:05,630 --> 01:06:03,420
the things that have been not such a

1504
01:06:08,569 --> 01:06:05,640
good thing because people are sort of

1505
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:08,579
taking advantage of of the popularity or

1506
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,839
the belief that people have that they're

1507
01:06:13,190 --> 01:06:11,520
going to make all this money and and

1508
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:13,200
then it doesn't pan out for a lot of

1509
01:06:17,630 --> 01:06:14,880
people a lot of people have lost a lot

1510
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:17,640
of money trying to invest in Bitcoin

1511
01:06:23,809 --> 01:06:21,599
oh my God I guess I could lose money in

1512
01:06:27,049 --> 01:06:23,819
anything people actually now trying to

1513
01:06:28,910 --> 01:06:27,059
take advantage of people's innocence and

1514
01:06:31,789 --> 01:06:28,920
newness oh my God what a new thought

1515
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:31,799
Janice write that down I've never heard

1516
01:06:39,710 --> 01:06:34,880
of this before these God people

1517
01:06:42,589 --> 01:06:39,720
welcome to the real [\h__\h] world

1518
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:42,599
called Darwinism or call it what you

1519
01:06:47,210 --> 01:06:44,400
wish if you don't want a scientific or

1520
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:47,220
pseudoscientific name who gives a [\h__\h]

1521
01:06:52,490 --> 01:06:48,960
is what people are

1522
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:52,500
you can't get rid of scammers ever

1523
01:06:59,630 --> 01:06:56,400
and the more lucrative a field is even

1524
01:07:01,970 --> 01:06:59,640
in potential alone the more scammers are

1525
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:01,980
going to be attracted to it so don't try

1526
01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:04,319
and stop them for [\h__\h] sake

1527
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:07,680
just wise the [\h__\h] up and realize you're

1528
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:09,599
alone in this room people

1529
01:07:13,010 --> 01:07:11,280
the government says they can protect you

1530
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:13,020
it can't at least that they can protect

1531
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:14,880
you've been to the last time a cop

1532
01:07:19,309 --> 01:07:16,799
protected anybody

1533
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:19,319
cops come in after you've been shot in

1534
01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:21,359
the head and try to solve the [\h__\h]

1535
01:07:27,950 --> 01:07:25,260
crime come and clean up please wake up

1536
01:07:30,289 --> 01:07:27,960
you're on your own he gets scammed don't

1537
01:07:32,450 --> 01:07:30,299
cry to me don't cry to the scammer sure

1538
01:07:36,109 --> 01:07:32,460
as [\h__\h] up quietly goodness not their

1539
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:36,119
job to fix your naive attack

1540
01:07:41,870 --> 01:07:39,440
you and IBK is fixed by [\h__\h] like this

1541
01:07:45,170 --> 01:07:41,880
happening to you

1542
01:07:47,450 --> 01:07:45,180
I would pay the scammer for the lesson

1543
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:47,460
if I if you could find him because you

1544
01:07:52,010 --> 01:07:49,200
won't be able to because being a scammer

1545
01:07:53,329 --> 01:07:52,020
you can't find him anyway sure but if

1546
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:53,339
you could

1547
01:08:00,410 --> 01:07:56,880
give him your first woman and thank you

1548
01:08:03,049 --> 01:08:00,420
wake up people oh this breaks my heart

1549
01:08:05,569 --> 01:08:03,059
that people actually think

1550
01:08:08,569 --> 01:08:05,579
silly [\h__\h] like this

1551
01:08:10,849 --> 01:08:08,579
sure well the other thing I wanted to

1552
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:10,859
talk to you about is this is actually a

1553
01:08:15,289 --> 01:08:12,720
listener question he wanted me to ask

1554
01:08:18,169 --> 01:08:15,299
you about an apparent dead man switch

1555
01:08:20,269 --> 01:08:18,179
that was mentioned by your one-time

1556
01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:20,279
campaign manager when you were having

1557
01:08:25,849 --> 01:08:23,759
legal issues that you have uh some kind

1558
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:25,859
of information and a dead man switch if

1559
01:08:29,689 --> 01:08:28,080
anything happens to you there's going to

1560
01:08:32,329 --> 01:08:29,699
be some releases that could be quite

1561
01:08:36,169 --> 01:08:32,339
damaging to many people in power and

1562
01:08:39,169 --> 01:08:36,179
this is a sort of sent into me from from

1563
01:08:42,590 --> 01:08:39,179
a listener he wants to know uh do you

1564
01:08:43,490 --> 01:08:42,600
really have a dead man switch in case of

1565
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:43,500
anything

1566
01:08:47,809 --> 01:08:45,839
happening to you

1567
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,819
well first of all let's let's break that

1568
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:49,440
into two questions first of all do I

1569
01:08:55,729 --> 01:08:50,880
actually have anything

1570
01:09:02,289 --> 01:08:58,789
I really am John McAfee

1571
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:02,299
the founder of information security

1572
01:09:08,269 --> 01:09:06,239
and someone who knows certainly more

1573
01:09:14,090 --> 01:09:08,279
than the average person

1574
01:09:17,809 --> 01:09:14,749
um

1575
01:09:20,030 --> 01:09:17,819
so yes or yes of course I have

1576
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:20,040
information I'm not so stupid is to have

1577
01:09:24,530 --> 01:09:22,560
nothing I might get caught collected

1578
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:24,540
alive and then they torture me to find

1579
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:26,400
out where it is and I have nothing to

1580
01:09:30,530 --> 01:09:28,080
tell them to see that's one of the

1581
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:30,540
negatives no so I'm not that stupid yes

1582
01:09:36,349 --> 01:09:33,600
I have it you have a dead man switch I

1583
01:09:38,809 --> 01:09:36,359
would be an idiot

1584
01:09:42,650 --> 01:09:38,819
to have that

1585
01:09:45,769 --> 01:09:42,660
without a Deadman switch and if you are

1586
01:09:47,390 --> 01:09:45,779
one of my enemies and you are listening

1587
01:09:51,709 --> 01:09:47,400
to this

1588
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:51,719
if I were you I would go to your church

1589
01:09:57,709 --> 01:09:55,440
of choice every morning before work and

1590
01:10:01,250 --> 01:09:57,719
kneel in the presence of whatever you

1591
01:10:05,209 --> 01:10:01,260
may call God and pray

1592
01:10:07,250 --> 01:10:05,219
John McAfee list of 200.

1593
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:07,260
that's my message

1594
01:10:11,750 --> 01:10:09,840
well that's great and and do you have

1595
01:10:13,790 --> 01:10:11,760
plans to run for president again because

1596
01:10:16,610 --> 01:10:13,800
I followed the fir you know I followed

1597
01:10:18,770 --> 01:10:16,620
that and I was kind of just amazed at

1598
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:18,780
the attention that you got and the

1599
01:10:23,209 --> 01:10:20,159
support that you're getting because

1600
01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:23,219
people are sick of this two-party junk

1601
01:10:28,310 --> 01:10:25,980
system we don't have a choice our choice

1602
01:10:30,649 --> 01:10:28,320
right now is pick the least corrupt guy

1603
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:30,659
that's our choice pick the least

1604
01:10:33,770 --> 01:10:32,640
corrupted and even then even then you

1605
01:10:36,530 --> 01:10:33,780
don't know because you don't know the

1606
01:10:38,570 --> 01:10:36,540
truth about anybody [\h__\h] who knows who

1607
01:10:42,169 --> 01:10:38,580
is the least Trump maybe they are

1608
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:42,179
identically corrupt on purpose just so

1609
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:44,159
that the powers that they don't have to

1610
01:10:48,770 --> 01:10:47,280
worry about which one gets it all the

1611
01:10:51,130 --> 01:10:48,780
same puppet to them

1612
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:51,140
so no like okay

1613
01:10:55,250 --> 01:10:53,520
so we're gonna run again and as a

1614
01:10:57,530 --> 01:10:55,260
Libertarian or independent

1615
01:10:59,570 --> 01:10:57,540
yeah it's libertarian I've already I've

1616
01:11:01,669 --> 01:10:59,580
already announced I announced a week or

1617
01:11:03,410 --> 01:11:01,679
so ago I already have three campaign

1618
01:11:05,870 --> 01:11:03,420
videos out

1619
01:11:08,050 --> 01:11:05,880
um I'm ramping up for for this year

1620
01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:08,060
beginning next week you'll see more

1621
01:11:14,450 --> 01:11:11,840
serious both strongly I've been very

1622
01:11:15,890 --> 01:11:14,460
lackadaisical and humorous and cynical

1623
01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:15,900
and some of my photos through the past

1624
01:11:19,250 --> 01:11:17,820
couple of weeks since it meters maybe

1625
01:11:21,709 --> 01:11:19,260
I'm going to get serious again and

1626
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:21,719
you'll see me come out

1627
01:11:26,689 --> 01:11:24,960
um as an extraordinary campus Camp so

1628
01:11:29,209 --> 01:11:26,699
and we're out of time my friend I'm so

1629
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:29,219
sorry no that's fine I listen I wanted I

1630
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:31,920
I really want to to thank you sincerely

1631
01:11:36,649 --> 01:11:33,840
I've been following you since uh you

1632
01:11:38,689 --> 01:11:36,659
know I first started in computers I wish

1633
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:38,699
you the best of success in all your

1634
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:40,560
endeavors and and I hope that you stay

1635
01:11:44,689 --> 01:11:42,960
safe and out there speaking out against

1636
01:11:46,850 --> 01:11:44,699
the powers that be

1637
01:11:48,830 --> 01:11:46,860
you're welcome thank you sir

1638
01:11:51,590 --> 01:11:48,840
I thought a lot about what I could say

1639
01:11:55,070 --> 01:11:51,600
about John in order to make this

1640
01:11:58,189 --> 01:11:55,080
broadcast some form of tribute to

1641
01:12:00,770 --> 01:11:58,199
a childhood Idol of mine who I will

1642
01:12:02,270 --> 01:12:00,780
sadly Miss

1643
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:02,280
but

1644
01:12:07,729 --> 01:12:06,000
the words just escaped me I tried to

1645
01:12:10,189 --> 01:12:07,739
write something down

1646
01:12:14,510 --> 01:12:10,199
I try to focus my thoughts about John

1647
01:12:18,050 --> 01:12:14,520
and uh you know how much he inspired me

1648
01:12:21,290 --> 01:12:18,060
to write software when I was a child

1649
01:12:24,110 --> 01:12:21,300
and the words just never came

1650
01:12:27,890 --> 01:12:24,120
but then I found some of John's words

1651
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:27,900
and I think this is the best thing that

1652
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:29,520
I could leave you with

1653
01:12:36,169 --> 01:12:32,880
rest in peace John McAfee I will miss

1654
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:38,209
what is freedom

1655
01:12:44,209 --> 01:12:41,760
well freedom is following your heart

1656
01:12:45,790 --> 01:12:44,219
pure and simple

1657
01:12:50,450 --> 01:12:45,800
um doing

1658
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:50,460
exactly and only what you love

1659
01:12:57,830 --> 01:12:54,719
you think you might be free but um if

1660
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:57,840
you are not doing every moment of your

1661
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:00,480
life exactly what you love though trust

1662
01:13:03,770 --> 01:13:02,159
me you are not free

1663
01:13:08,750 --> 01:13:03,780
most people

1664
01:13:11,750 --> 01:13:08,760
lead lives of quiet desperation in a

1665
01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:11,760
habit uh waking up on Monday going to a

1666
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:14,100
job they do not love

1667
01:13:19,790 --> 01:13:18,000
coming home on weekends perhaps to a

1668
01:13:22,810 --> 01:13:19,800
spouse that

1669
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:22,820
the love no longer exists for

1670
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:27,120
day after day sameness

1671
01:13:31,630 --> 01:13:30,239
the unknown qualities of Life have

1672
01:13:35,450 --> 01:13:31,640
disappeared

1673
01:13:38,570 --> 01:13:35,460
this is slavery it's not freedom and

1674
01:13:41,870 --> 01:13:38,580
without Freedom there is no life

1675
01:13:45,530 --> 01:13:41,880
with freedom that quiet desperation

1676
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:45,540
becomes an awesome mystery where every

1677
01:13:52,250 --> 01:13:49,920
day is brand new and you have no clue

1678
01:13:54,590 --> 01:13:52,260
what may happen

1679
01:13:56,570 --> 01:13:54,600
because the Habit has disappeared and

1680
01:14:00,770 --> 01:13:56,580
has been replaced by

1681
01:14:06,890 --> 01:14:02,750
you want more

1682
01:14:10,430 --> 01:14:08,780
is not going to make you any happier

1683
01:14:11,709 --> 01:14:10,440
[Music]

1684
01:14:16,850 --> 01:14:11,719
never

1685
01:14:20,330 --> 01:14:16,860
you need a totally new existence and

1686
01:14:22,970 --> 01:14:20,340
existence of Freedom where the mind no

1687
01:14:26,689 --> 01:14:22,980
longer controls or subdues the heart but

1688
01:14:31,550 --> 01:14:26,699
becomes an appendage of the heart a tool

1689
01:14:33,180 --> 01:14:31,560
to be used to achieve what the heart

1690
01:14:35,330 --> 01:14:33,190
desires

1691
01:14:37,490 --> 01:14:35,340
[Music]